I left work yesterday at around 6ish. I KNEW, in my gut, that somewhere around 6:30ish Dino would be showing up at my house with a disk for my computer. I knew. I was right. He had the disk for my computer and some brake fluid for twenchettes car. He moved it the other day and said the brakes were low and needed fluid.
He came in and said "i have a 1/2 hour before I have to pick Nick up and I wanted to make sure you had this, can I have a quick beer with you? I think I mumbled uh huh. I was just starting to install the new harddrive and we really didn't talk about anything beyond that. He knew I was not in a good place, and unless he's a complete idiot, which yanno, is possible, he knew it was because of him. I think at some point he asked if my day got bad after we talked on the phone, I just looked at him and said "my day has pretty much sucked from the beginning." He had to leave to go pick up his son, so he leaned ovah and gave me a kiss on the cheek and I couldn't even look him in the eye. I think on the way out he said something about maybe you can call tech support and I mumbled "i'll figure it out". He just looked at me and said "I know you will Deanna".
Out the door he went.
He called a couple of hours later and said I was just sitting here thinking about it and you need to try a, b and c. I said, yeah, I just thought of that and was getting ready too. I said something about just being frustrated and how I have been dealing with this computer for a week and I'm sick of it. His response, "I know. I knew as soon as I saw you tonight that you're tired, and you're frustrated and with everything else going on, I can understand it's been a long week" I think we just said good night at that point.
I did what we had talked about and the computer seemed to be working. I called his cell and said "Ok, you were right, I used that disk and it seems to be formatting the new hard drive" "Good, I'm glad, it'll probably take about an hour, I'm right sometimes". I said "you're right a lot of the time". Goodnight
Ok, couple of things that are whirling in my head right now. First of all, I knew in my gut that he would show up with disk in hand. Perhaps I DO know my gut. Perhaps I AM reading things correctly. At least I know I read that one correctly. I mean, what the fuck. Dude, I'm under the impression you broke up with me, stop being my friend, stop fucking taking care of me. It would be easy to say well, he's still worried about me, still taking care of me, there's hope. But here's the thing. Oh c'mon, you knew there would be a thing, there's always a thing.
He takes care of everyone. It's who he is. He still takes care of his ex-wife. If her car dies, it's Dino she calls and it's Dino who takes care of it. If something needs fixing at her house, it's Dino who takes care of it. He takes care of friends, family, co-workers. It's who he is. Jesus, have we forgotten the night he was at Karen's trying to fix her hot water heater.
I'm torn now. Is he keeping his options open, keeping the door of this relationship open, or is it something different?
Is it possible that the man just doesn't know how to break up?
I can understand the ex wife thing. They were together for 17 years, they have children together. And he does do things for her, but he also bitches to high heaven about her. The Karen thing I still haven't figured out. But I think I'm getting a clue.
He doesn't know how to break up. He still wants to be a friend, to help with things, to maintain a relationship albeit a different one. Karen takes the little things, the being helpful, the fixing things as a sign that he really loves her and will be back. Yeah, read that last sentence again.
Is it possible that I'm becoming Karen sans the stalkerish behavior? The mere thought of that makes me sick to my stomach.
I don't know. Honestly, I'm tired of having to say that. I'm tired of not knowing. I'm tired of second guessing myself. I'm tired of the million and 2 things that swirl in my brain on a daily basis. I'm just plain fucking tired.
My computer is still fucked up. Actually, now BOTH of my computers are fucked up. It is entirely possible I won't have a computer at home this weekend. Because, yanno, my life doesn't suck enough right now, I need to deal with THAT too.
I'm at Cumby's all weekend and my back has been acting up all week. I can only imagine how it's going to feel after 2 9 hours days on my feet. On my feet in god knows what fucking shoes because my sneakers are at Dino's. Yeah. Nice.
I could sit here and type, and put the thoughts in my head down on paper all day. Sadly, I don't have time. I have to go back to the world of w'2's and taxes, and 62 other things that clients want/need right now. I have to put on my happy face and work and get through the day.
Again.
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"unless he's a complete idiot, which yanno, is possible"
If he's thinking about letting you get away, it's much more than a possibility that he's an idiot.
This is way too much drama and intensity for such a short relationship.
Move on to someone who knows himself and knows how to be with a strong woman.
I don't disagree that this is/has been a short relationship. I guess I'm one of those romantic saps who believes in love at first sight.
And you know what, I BELIVE that he loves me. Perhaps he isn't in a place to know how to handle that right now, but he will be.
As I see it, part of the problem is MY doubt. Yanno what? I'm going to stop doubting.
Anonymous #1 is correct. Tell him you're tired of living in limbo and to either get back together with you or break up. You don't need to be taken care of (unless, of course, you do).
This is just craziness.
Twenchie, I believe you finally got it right, he sounds like a man that likes to take care of everybody.
You are a strong good woman damn it, don't you think it's time to take care of "you"?
Move on Deanna!
I second what Janey said
You're seriously now blaming yourself for having doubt?
This guy has doubt written all over him.
Re-read this whole story as if it were a friend.
Go with your gut and your heart.
No matter what you decide, I'm here for you.
Oh honey, if I were reading this as a friend I would be saying
Get into therapy you are INSANE
I know it doesn't make sense
I know I shouldn't believe him
I know I may get burned
Doesn't matter. Well, it does, but I can't walk away.
Seems like you have gotten burned my dear.
I think he has doubts about you and Karen since he hasn't gone one way or the other.
He's just not into either of you gals anymore.
Why don't you just come out and ask him where the heck you stand in all of this?
Did he mention he wants this to be a "relationship" or just a friendship?
Why must you be in limbo over all of this?
Tell him you need to know, not tomorrow, not next month...
Opps, that would be you need to know TODAY, not tomorrow!
For the next phone conversation, how about you say you've got the Geek Squad on speed dial, and unless he's calling to set up a date, you need your space.
And to please drop off your shoes and stuff while you're at work this weekend.
Tell him that while you love him, you love yourself too much to play the supporting role of good natured cast aside lover to make him feel better.
As long as he has no justification/explanation/game plan/rationale for needing space to deal with a past relationship, you don't need to be his kiss on the cheek buddy.
And if you can say it without emotion or crying, all the better.
I'm beginning to wonder if this guy thrives on having a stable of emotional/clingy women around him.
Who wants that?
Not da Wench.
;-)
Keep your head up,
Duffer
aaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh...finally, some good advice for my SISTA - i said it from day 1, DRAMA - something wrong and that's when i thought karen was the exwife - call him up tonite and get the story straight - are you a couple or not, if not, buh bye....have a cry, get drunk and pull those make beleive panties that are in a bunch UP - it's time, summa comin, you don't wanna be stuck with this CRAP.
YO SISTA
PS...if your harddrive not working, just take to geek squad, doesn't cost that much for them to get it running..under $100
Twench, the time has come to do what Marriage Builders calls "Plan B."
it is too hard on you to have him flitting in and out as a friend. you are second guessing yourself as he keeps you dangling. You are absolutely correct in your observations about his inability to break up. Karen must have started out with terrible instability to become so violent, but his actions helped to create her obsession, and now he's working his "magic" on you.
You have to cut him off. Take him at his word. Tell him that you understand he's not ready for the relationship now, but you're not in the right place for the friendship, so there will be no contact. Get your stuff and do not contact him thereafter. If he gets his shit together and is ready to come to you as a lover, then and only then he can pick up the phone. In the meantime, you will be living your life and there is no guarantee that you will be available when he's ready.
It isn't a game. It is not an ultimatum. But you have to call the shots in your own life, Twench, and he cannot be allowed to make you play his game by his rules. You have seen where that leads. Do this for you, for your mental health.
I'm with Sarpon. You need to know where you stand now.
The problem is not your doubt. He's given you every reason to doubt him. He isn't a religion--you aren't required to believe in him in spite of rational evidence to the contrary.
I agree with everyone else. Make him spell it out to you. If he says "we should be friends" and you don't really in your heart want to be friends with him, tell him you can't be in contact at all.
I'm reading it, and I'm listening, and I'm taking it all in. Honestly :)
It is entirely possible that the majority of you are right. I have to lay down what MY needs in this whole thing are.
As soon as I figure out what my needs are, I will.
Take your time with this, You say you love him and he loves you.
Don't jump to conclusions.
If you really do love him take him a day at a time, show him what you are made of.
Maybe he can't make himself slam the door on the needy bitch, but trying to *make* him do that will drive a wedge between the two of you. If that happens she wins.
Don't be a loser.
Teach him to be strong, don't force him.
Jackie
Mama, I totally disagree with you, not saying I'm right, but, it sounds like you are the only one here that is looking out for Dino and not Deanna.
The girl is emotionally burnt out by this man and the unknown of their relationship.
I don't think any of this is about the whacko ex gf, Karen, this is about a man that may perhaps have problems being in a relationship.
I think he is loving this game. He has the best of two or possibly three or more worlds having all these women vie for his love.
Don't you think Deanna should just ask the man what the hell his intentions are? Does he or does he not want to be with her?
I never heard (read) that he actually did come out and say that he is going to have a relationship with her, one that she deserves anyway. Do you think he is trying to let her down easy? It makes him look good.
Deanna...pick up the damn phone now girl! That's not stalking him, you need to know. This is your life he is messing with afterall. Enough is enough.
Hugs.
At this point, I wouldn't even bother calling. He has not demonstrated anything that tells me he's worthy of a relationship with you.
So he was sweet in the beginning. Who isn't?
I would not do without my tennis shoes and anything else that is at his house. I would get my stuff.
Deanna - you truly deserve the very best life has to offer. You have absolute control over the quality of your life.
Be happy and most of all be good to yourself - there's no need for any drama.
Yanno, Anonymous whoever you are, I just want her to be happy, if she believes he loves her and she loves him why should'nt she fight for it?
I hate to see her throw in towel.
We don't know, but from what I have read, it sounds like the two of them have something special.To throw it away is foolish in my opinion.
Good things don't always come easy.
Besides the lizard will be heartbtroken if he never sees her again.
What I posted is just a different view, it doesn't mean shit.
Now ladies :)
Truthfully, I appreciate everyone's comments. Both sides.
I go back and forth between the two different schools of thought in my own mind. Seeing other people, do the same thing, just helps me to see that I'm not really that crazy.
I mean, if a group of you can each be on one side of the fence, than why can't I?
I do agree that he, in the past, thrived off of the drama.
Now, I think he see's the drama as a roadblock to having a relationship with me. And he's trying to figure out how to stop thriving on the drama, so he CAN have a relationship with me.
I don't believe that right now, he is emotionally available. I do, however, think that he knows that and is trying to figure out how to fix it.
If he truly wanted a relationship with you, he'd be having one. The whole "working on the thing with Karen", while undoubtedly true in his mind, is a load of BS.
What exactly is he trying to fix? They weren't married, have no kids together. There is nothing keeping him tied to her, other than his inability to cut the drama and her crazy octopus-like suction grip.
I've been in a very similar situation with a very similar guy. It never, ever changed. He too was still connected to his past loves and, secretly, I think, thrived on the drama, all the while coming off like the "put-upon, why me, aren't I brave and strong to deal with this, but I need my space too" guy.
You are much, much better than this.
Twench, it's fine and good that he's trying to fix it. Hooray! But he has to fix it without you. As long as he's able to get a little fix of you every couple of days, as long as you're one of the satellites that orbits around Dino, nothing changes for him. You're just the last link in the chain.
I am not advocating that you tell him off or be harsh in any way. Not at all. Just that during this period of time, while he gets his act together, you can't be part of it.
Imagine what happens if he comes back to you today. He's still going to be running off to "fix things" for his ex-wife. He's still apt to be sucked in by Karen's craziness because he has to "fix" her too. Is that the life you're willing to lead?
Don't do it for him, Twench. Do it for you. If he comes back to you free of his fixation fixation, we can have an imbisbo blowout. If he can't do it, he's not the one.
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