The last couple of days have been a wild ride. A crazy, wild ride, but in the end, a fabulous ride. I have exactly 482,000 thoughts in my head and I'm going to try and keep them in order and have them make sense.
So, the last time I had a chance to sit down and put my thoughts on paper, was Sat night. I had just talked to Dino he was getting ready to go to the family thing with the kids. I was finishing up getting my computer working and I was going to go to bed early. I was comfortable being home, I was peaceful because I knew that we had had a great Friday night together. No Karen, no crap, just us. I knew from our phone conversation that he felt good about his day Saturday, getting the hardwood floor started. Peaceful. Normal.
I went to bed around 9 and probably fell asleep shortly thereafter. I was awoken at 10:30 by my cell ringing. It was Dino, and in my half sleep I thought "how sweet, he's calling to say goodnight" I couldn't have been more wrong. I picked it up, said 'Hey baby" and got "hello there" back. It was not Dino. It was Karen. It was Karen, calling me from Dino's cell phone. The sound of that voice certainly woke me up. I didn't know where they were, or why they were together, but I knew they were. It's the only way she could have called me from his cell. I could recite the whole conversation word for word, but to be honest, I don't see the point. There is nothing she said that I believe, and she doesn't deserve that kind of press or time. After just a couple of ridiculous statements from her regarding how I was all done and she won, I said "let me talk to Dino" Her response was that he was asleep on her floor, he was very tired from working all day. She claimed that they were at her house for a romantic evening. I knew in my gut that just wasn't true.
She finally said "I don't have time for this" after about 10 minutes and hung up on me. She hung up on me because she was not in control of the conversation and she knew it. Every thing she said to me, every accusation she made, I had a response for. A very calm, controlled response. There was not one time in that conversation that she got under my skin, not one time that she made me doubt Dino, or myself. She couldn't get to me and she knew it. She knew it, and she didn't like it. She didn't like it one fucking little bit.
About 5 minutes after she hung up I called his cell and it went straight to voice mail. Now, I didn't know where exactly they were, but I knew this. He wasn't in her company by choice. I sat in my bed for probably 6 or 7 minutes thinking what the fuck is going on. I won't tell a lie. There was a moment, albeit a brief moment, where I thought "my god what if he really is over there and he's asleep, and she picked up his phone?" The moment was short lived and then I realized that she could have done god knows what. For all I knew she bashed in his head and he was lying on the floor bleeding to death. I got up, put on some shoes, grabbed a coat, and headed to his house. I was going to do one of two things, save mah man, or be proven to be a complete and total idiot.
Now, as I'm driving to his house (it's about a 15 minute ride) my cell goes off. It rings twice and then stops. I'm driving, I'm shaking, and I can't possibly pick up the phone. It doesn't beep so I know that no one has a left a message. I don't know if it's Dino or Karen but I figure I'm going to be at his house in 10 minutes and I'll deal with it then. I get to his house and it's dark. Pitch black dark. No lights on, no nothing. I pull up to the garage, I get out of the car, I look in the garage. It's empty. His car is not there.
I get back in my car, I pick up my cell and I dial his number. Honestly, I still am NOT believing that he's at her house. I don't know where he is, but I'm worried. I'm worried that she's friggin killed him. He picks up his phone on the first ring. He's on low battery, we both are having shitty reception and it's hard to hear one another. I'm screaming "where the fuck are you. Are you ok" he's screaming "I'm on my way to your house". I yell back well I'm at YOUR house you fucking idiot. I think at that point we both laughed. I heard a fuzzy broken up, "stay there Deanna I'm turning around".
I go into the house, I grab a beer, I light up a cigarette and I wait. He gets there 10 minutes later. As he gets out of the car I can hear him on the phone. I know he's talking to karen, I can hear her voice. He's telling her "this is it. Done. Finished. Stop calling my phone, stop coming to my house, stop harrasing me etc etc. Now, these are all things I've heard him say to her before, but this is different. The tone of his voice is different, the strenght of his voice is different, there is no doubt that he's done. He's not kidding. He's not playing games. This is where it ends.
He hangs up with her, he comes in the living room and he says "I can't stay here. I don't want to be here, I don't even feel fucking safe here" I say I know, I understand let's just get the fuck out of here. We get in our cars and we head back to my house. Now, why he didn't just stay at my house to begin with is something we both laugh about. He basically drove back to his house, got me, and we went back to Plaistow. We just weren't thinking at that point I guess. Anyhoo.
We get to my house, we sit down and I say "what the fuck happened tonight Dino"
He tells me that after he talked to me, he took a shower, had a bite to eat and was exhausted. He called the kids and his sister and said he was beat and really didn't want to go to the family thing. His sister was going to take his kids, and he was going to crash and get some sleep. He passed out on the couch and the next thing he knew, Karen was there. She wasn't there long when she went over and grabbed his cell phone off of the charger. That's when she called me. He actually heard a good portion of the conversation, including my responses back to her. I did say, why didn't you just take your phone back. His response to me was basically that the only way to get his phone out of her hands was to take it back physically. He was afraid to do that. Afraid that she would then call the cops and say he assaulted her, afraid she would assault him thus beginning a physical assault on both sides. Given that he lost control a few nights before, and threw her cell phone against a wall, he figured it was best to just let her keep talking. I actually do think that was the way to handle it. You don't take a bone from a rabid dog.
After she hung up with me, he took his phone back, put on his slippers, turned off all the lights and said "I'm leaving Karen. I'm not going through this with you". He walked out the door and got in his car and she did the same. We don't think she followed him, which really doesn't matter because he nevah made it all the way to my house, we think at that point she probably went home.
The funny thing is, It is one long country road that connects my street and Dino's. We HAD to have passed eachother that night. Neither one of us noticed the other yet we both did exactly the same thing, at exactly the same time. Go to eachother.
He said I just couldn't stay there anymore. She's driving me out of my own home, I can't even be there right now. It's like I'm living a fucking nightmare only I don't wake up. He expressed concern that she would go back to his house that night, and I said Nah, she won't. That's not her MO. She did her damage for the night she's home in bed. I couldn't have been more wrong.
We didn't know if she was still calling or not, he had turned his phone off. We headed up to bed to try and get some sleep. I won't tell a lie, we both tossed and turned. I had to be Crumby's at 7 and he got up with me. He was going to head home to do some more work on the floor. As we both got in our cars he said to me "I hope she's not there when I get home, if she is, I'm not going in"
My phone rang 25 minutes later. I was already at work but ran to grab it. I knew it wasn't going to be good. Karen wasn't there, but the carnage she left behind was. Based on the the call log on his phone, we think she went back there around 2 am. She was calling and calling, and he wasn't answering, and she could probably tell that he wasn't even listening to his voice messages. That must have pissed her off so she went back there. Now once she got there, and he wasn't there, she had to KNOW where he was. There was only one place he could be. My house. As near as we can figure, because really it's hard to know what a crazy pyschotic person thinks, she went into a blind rage. She threw a lamp through a living room window, broke plates and glasses against the slider, ripped a couple of kitchen cabinets off the hinges and totally destroyed them. Took all the toilet paper in the downstairs bath and stuffed it in the toilet. She tossed around pictures, beer cans, whatevah was in reach, she heaved it. Then she went upstairs and tore his bed apart.
After he told me what she had done, I said "call the police" Honestly, I don't remember if he said I already did, or I am. He called back about an 1 1/2 hours later to tell me the cops had been there, they took pictures, yada yada. He told them everything. He told them to pull her records from her shit with her ex. The restraining order he put on her, the phone harrasement shit. All of it. He told them about the 2 times prior that they had been to his house because of her, he showed them his call log on his phone, he left nothing out. He was done. Stick a fork in me done. The cops said they were going to try and track her down that day and they would be in touch so Dino could sign the paperwork.
I was able to be out of work at 11 and told him I would be there to help him clean it all up, he didn't need to go through that alone. He did have a good portion cleaned up by that point. Not 10 mintues after I was there he said "holy shit she just drove down the street" I actually laughed and said honey your paranoid. Now, Dino lives on a cul de sac. A dead end. There is one way in and one way out. We went and stood in front of the window to watch because, if it was in fact Karen that he saw, she would HAVE to drive past the house again in order to get back to the main road. He was right, it was her. She looked in the driveway and I have no doubt the first thing she saw was my car. I don't know if she was just being crazy, or if she saw us in the window, but that crazy pyschotic bitch actually waved on her way by. I shit you not. She fucking waved. A princess wave. A sarcastic, look at me, wave. I'm still in awe ovah that one.
Dino finished cleaning up and the whole time we were talking. Talking about how hopefully this will end it, now that he's pressing charges. Talked about how this has affected our relationship, talked and talked and talked and talked. We went to home depot, we stopped at my house, we hit the grocery store, we went back to his house and we were still talking.
He thanked me for being there with him, for giving him the space that he asked for, for believing in him. We talked. And we talked. And we talked. And we laughed some, and we giggled some, and we flirted some, and we made plans. And we made some decisions.
We're all done giving Karen power. We're all done letting discussions of Karen be the focus of our conversations, of our lives. When there is something major such as her court date, he'll tell me. If there is a problem getting the phone co. to block her number, he'll tell me. Beyond that. It's done. Karen is a skeleton that shall NOT be allowed to overtake either of us. She has to be dealt with, she is being dealt with, she's all done. ALL DONE
We ARE together. We WANT to be together. We will no longer give her the power to come between us. Buh bye now.
Am I naive enough to think that this is the final chapter with Pyscho woman? No. I fully expect that she has a couple of more tricks up her sleeve. She hung up on me because she couldn't control me or get my dander up. She didn't like that. She flew into a rage and went back to Dino's that night because he wouldn't pick up and talk to her. She got even angrier once she went back there and realized that he was with me. Karen doesn't like to lose. Karen doesn't like to be told no, and she has been told no. I have no doubt that the first time she calls his cell and hears "we're sorry, you're call will not be accepted" she will fly into yet another rage. It will still suck to deal with it, but now there is a difference.
Neither one of us will deal with it alone. We're in this together. Good, bad or indifferent. We're in this together. Karen can do whatevah she wants, she won't change that.
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I take it the door was not locked on either occasion? Or does she have a key?
I still think it's shady. She always just happens to be around when you're not? She shows up at his house, he can't get his cell away from her. She wrecks his house, and yet I bet he'll be over there in a week, a month, whatever to "help" her with something.
Even if this is all true, this is so high drama for a short relationship.
What about just dating and having fun?
#1) change the locks right now & tell the neighbors to keep an eye out for her and her car. Tell them to call the cops if she is there and Dino isn't.
#2) both of you get a restraining order against her today. She sounds like that Fatal Attraction woman. Good God.
What a weekend.
While I'm sure this lunatic isn't done yet, you and Dino sound happy and in control.
It is great to hear how optimistic you sound.
I'm happy for you sweetie.
1)Change the locks.
2)You need a restraining order too.
3)Call an alarm company.
4)Sit back and enjoy. I knew you two would end up together.
I have to agree with anonymous, this is getting way too dramatic to even believe anymore, you are in your 40's, no?
Best Wishes to you Deanna, whatever the outcome may be.
I will not be reading anymore.
(snort) Ok, that was funny. You're right, I started a blog 9 months ago and now I've decided I'm going to write fake stuff to get people to read it. Ok then
To answer some quetions. She didn't need a key, one of the gargage doors was wonky, and you can easily open it. That situation has been corrected, or will be by the end of today.
There is an alarm. Once the garage door is fixed, he will begin setting the alarm again.
Adn thirdly, she's not only around when I'm not. Saturday night, I just happened to not be there. On most occassions, when she comes ovah, I am there. The past 2 times, I've not been there. Honestly, I think she waits until she knows I'm not there.
She has quickly figured out that I'm wise to her, and she won't manipulate me the way she has manipulated Dino.
You still need a protective order. Unfortunately you may have to wait until she does something more egregious against you personally. She sounds like the type of whacko who might decide that all she needs to do is take you out the picture and she'll be able to have him back. Be vigilant.
Yep, we do have to remain vigiliant. And yes, I'm aware that she could start stalking me as well. We're both aware of it. I was correct last week in my assumption that in Dino's mind, if he removed me from the situation, I would be safe. The truth is, I might be a little safer, but we were both miserable.
Karen is going to do what Karen is going to do. I cannot control that. I can only control my reactions to whatevah she does.
I still don't like it.
She's been entering his home for months now and he's just fixing the broken garage door today? Why? Why in the world has he let this continue for so long? What makes you think he's really going to end it now?
For your sake, I hope I'm wrong. I also hope that if I'm right you don't give him any more chances after this one.
No, she's been SHOWING UP at his house for months. She's only actually entered the house a couple of times by letting herself in.
I'd have fixed the door after the first time. Wouldn't you?
He sounds so passive in this. She breaks into his home and he just sits there? She takes his phone and calls you and he just allows it? None of it makes sense to me at all.
Yes, she took his phone. It was sitting on the desk, in it's charger, where it always is.
He asked for it back, she said no, and walked into the other room.
What was he supposed to do? Tackle her. Physically restrain her?
It makes perfect sense to me, regarding the phone thing. As for the rest, yes, I do feel he was to passive in this. But you know what, I don't get to decide his time frame anymore than he gets to decide mine.
Whoa.
I'm not sure what to think.
I'm surprised he was able to get the cell phone back.
Hope you, your man, your kids and his are safe as well.
Fingers crossed she is facing criminal felony charges.
Duffer
Be safe, Twench.
Dino best not disappoint me and drop the charges against that loon. This might be the best thing that could to happen to her- court-ordered psych eval and treatment.
If he doesn't follow through with this, and press charges, I don't think I'll be able to stick around.
It would break my heart, but I just don't think I could. I don't think that will happen.
I saw a conviction in him saturday night, regarding Karen, that I've nevah seen before.
He's finally had enough
Actually, him not touching her and letting the cell phone go were very smart things to do. That's why I'm surprised he got it back w/o a struggle.
I'm assuming he doesn't have a land line and that is why he didn't call the police to have her removed earlier. Yes?
I want to believe in this guy for your sake...but some stuff still doesn't add up, Wench. Like him calling the police from a land line, or going to a neighbor's to call the police, or this happening when his kids aren't there.
How did she know his kids wouldn't be there?
This is my Law & Order training coming into play, btw.
Duffer
And one last thing. For those of you thinking I'm crazy and that he was at Karen's house when she called, or that she was an invited guest to his home on Sat night: Answer me this.
If he was with Karen on Saturday night, by choice, why would he leave her and come to me? It would seem to me, he would have said, well now Deanna will get it and leave me alone, and spent the remainder of the evening with Karen.
he does not have a landline.
When she was there that Thursday night, and he called me austensibly to break up with me, he did that BECAUSE his kids WERE there. Upstairs sleeping. He was doing anything and everything to just shut her up and get her to leave so his children would not witness a fight, or listen to a crazy woman.
She doesn't know if the kids are there or not, she doesn't care who hears her nonsense.
As for going to a neighbors. What should he tell the neighbor. Hey, my crazy ex gf is at my house, and she took my phone, and she won't give it back.
Would you want to air that to your neighbors? Would you want that much of your personal business out there?
I wouldn't.
It never occurred to me not to believe that part.
I do think it's possible your man is a chatter box and gives up too much information (such as the social event planned).
He may be trying to pacify her by having normal conversation and in doing so, she gets information on his whereabouts.
I know we not supposed to focus on Crazy but has she wigged out in front of his kids before? What do his kids think?
The landline thing makes sense.
Yes, I would go to the neighbors to call the police. That might be easier to do since I'm a woman, though. I can see where some people would not want to share their business.
Unfortunately, I think a crazed person will buy disposable cell phones etc. so her calls go through. He'll probably be prepared for that, though.
Good luck, Wench.
Fingers crossed she has her hands full and backs off.
Hell yeah I'd be telling the neighbors. He doesn't have to go into detail with his entire life story. He needs to watch out for himself, his loved ones and his property. Karen is hell bent on destroying it all.
I believe Wench and I also believe Dino. I've seen crazy Karen-type people before. They're scary.
I believe Wench.
I'll be all excited for her when Dino presses charges and shows up in court to testify. For anyone who wishes Wench the best, I think the jury is still out on him.
:)
I've got the perfect guy for Karen.
Do you think she'd go for a guy with an accent, eh?
Ever read the book The Sociopath Next Door? - take the time to read it or listen to it on CD. I would bet a ton of money she is a sociopath.
I believe it all.
If you have never been around crazy, I can understand your scepticism. Having lived with crazy, it rings true.
I think you should take Bay up on her offer to send some of her "friends" to greet Karen.
Well, I'm glad to see she finally dug her own pit. I also agree that Dino should be fully aware that there is a point where you won't put up with the drama anymore if he isn't taking steps to end it. Sounds like he's doing that now, but follow-through is important. For all of your sakes. Even Karen's.
Big love,
L
I havent read other comments yet. i can just say this twenchie. You need to follow your heart. right/wrong, hurt, no hurt thats what you need to do. If I listended to other people dbf and I would have been done 10 years ago. Hell we probably never would have started.
We just got through another bad patch and every time we get through it i remember why iam here.
I love him. follow your heart and i wish you luck and happiness.
Twenchie, that is awesome news. I've been dying to hear what happened. I'm so happy for you and Dino.
Tell him to change his locks NOW.
What a psychotic bitch. But karma is also a bitch. She will get hers.
BTW, I agree with the others that you should get a restraining order too. Was she threatening in her conversation? Has she been to your house? Can you find anything that would warrant a RO?
Holy Shit!
~DSM~
Twench, a GDTer here, one who has read your blog but hasn't responded until now. But I'm no nonsense, as is fitting for a GDTer. I don't feel like de-anonyfying, because I don't want to have a poor relationship with you. Because I think that you're not willing to hear right now that your Springer life is not worthy of you.
This story is almost unbelievable. I'm not saying I *don't* believe it, but if it were anyone else without your cred, I might not.
If I had a sistah, and you were her, I would try to tie you down until you saw sense. Your radar went off on this guy early on, thinking he was too good to be true, and you ignored it. Many elements of his stories appear to be off, and you ignore them.
Baby, he's not worth it. And I never want to tell you I told you so, but goddammit, I'm telling you so. You are way too dependent on having a relationship to see straight. He is not better than his baggage and his garbage. You are the woman on the GDT that tells other women to straighten up...baby, straighten yourself up, and kick this dude to the curb.
This is probably not what you want to hear, but it's what is in my heart, and this Dino? He is bad. news. Love yourself, dude.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. If I were on the outside of this looking in, I would be screaming
HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU
I understand why some readers feel that way. Hell, I would feel that way. And if someone posted some of this on the GDT I would probably be the first one throwing down the gomer card.
I do, howevah, disagree with one thing that you said. You said that I can't see Dino for what he is because I'm too dependant on having a relationship. Had you said that a year ago, I would have believed you. Today, I don't. I spent a year dating, and learning to trust myself and rolling with the punches.
You also said that I saw red flags from the beginning. I think you may have your guys mixed up :) I saw red flags with the guy I went to dinnah with right before I got involved with Dino. I've trusted and believed in Dino from day 1.
Knowing me, as I think you do from my blog and from the GDT, you know that trust and belief aren't something I offer up freely or often :)
Have you looked up information on borderlines? There is a great website at www.bpdcentral.com The message boards are really helpful too. Try the secondary relationship/co-parenting ones.
Holy fecking whackadoodle, D.
Having been on the receiving end of a psychotic ex, I can honestly say that it's much easier for people looking in to tell you what to do (police, etc) than it is to actually go through it, even when the things seem to be common sense.
I hope this all clears up soon, that Karen receives the help she clearly needs, and that things in general go on the upswing for you.
Kel
I'm glad things seem to be finally working out for you.
Call me a sap, but I like happy endings.
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